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- Jason -
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Thanks Mason,

Not bad for a budget upgrade. I'm excited to get it finished. Maybe by next year I will clean up my engine bay and do some painting but for now its all about function.



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454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454



-Urethane Dave - Alger, WA Moderator

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As soon as I wade through this suspension nightmare, I'm doing this.

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we'll have to discuss this hydroboost stuff

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- Jason -
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kettbo wrote:

we'll have to discuss this hydroboost stuff


 

 what do ya need to know George, feeling left out?



-- Edited by JBSS396 on Monday 18th of April 2011 10:03:38 PM

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454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454



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no, just don't have experience or insight on this. Better to get a tutorial in person

It has been some time since Cobalt told me about his set-up on his car.



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- Jason -
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Yesterday Jim H and I got my budget HB Brake and steering project finished up.

We blead the whole brake system with a vacuum bleeder and the pedal improved but it's still not as high and firm as I'd like it.

Bleeding the steering was interesting. After adding fluid to the empty pump I turned the wheel back and forth 20 times with the wheels in the air but the fluid level didn't go down. Then we disabled the ignition and cranked the engine for 20 seconds at a time turning the wheel at same time, still no fluid cycling through. We hooked up the ignition and warmed up the engine without the PS belt, then installed the belt once it would idle. Started the engine and added some fluid and shut it off, started it again, turned the wheel back and forth, added some more then shut it off then had an over flow of foam. Waited for it to settle, ran it and foamed over again on shut off. Waited a while longer then ran it, cycling the wheel back and forth as well as the pedal, this time it didn't foam over and started getting quieter.

Today I'll be taking it for the first drive. The braking power is noticibly better and held the car firm during the first burn out (sorry no video).

Here are some pics of the finished system without the line lock which I will plum in later.

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-- Edited by Dave on Wednesday 11th of May 2011 04:28:28 AM

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454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454




- Mason -
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I had the same problem bleeding mine as well. It went down a little when I primed it with the distributor un plugged. I used the GM PS fluid which is spendy but I never got any foam, just lots of little air bubbles. I had to go through the bleed process 2x to finally get it all out. The noise is still there but getting quieter, hopefully after going to docs this weekend it'll be gone. I also thought my pedal would be a little higher /harder than it is the car stops well but doesn't come to a complete stop as fast as I think it should. I think I'm going to have to find a place to pressure bleed the brakes. I took it to Les Schwab just to see wha they would say, and all I got was "No Way" as soon as I lifted the hood lol.

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- Mike -
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I'm sure power bleeding would work, but I didn't have any trouble with using speed bleeders, and I could do it all by myself....$20 for 4(I have 2 different sizes front/back BTW).



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The first test drive went great, my brake pedal is high and firm, the steering is nice, smooth, responsive. Best of all the braking power is AMAZING!

I used the GM fluid as well @ almost $10/qt and got foam at first but it went away pretty quick. I wonder if it is bubbling up so much because of the way I have my return lines Teed? I'll see how it goes.

Mason I have a vacuum bleeder you can borrow, if ya want I can bring it to the BBQ. We do live quite a ways away from each outer though.



-- Edited by JBSS396 on Friday 29th of April 2011 08:33:57 PM

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69 Chevelle SS 
454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454




- Mason -
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Sounds good maybe I can get them bled there and not have to take it home. Sarem works in Everett so I can get it back to you either way

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- Jason -
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Okay, I'll bring it with me. It works pretty good.

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454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454




- Jason -
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The last 2 weekends I've gotten a lot done on my Ratty Muscle Car.

1. Last weekend at Darryls got my posi tightened up with 800 pound springs plus found the side bearing preload was next to nothing. So with Darryls help, on his new hoist it all got fixed. We celebrated with "Rootbeer" and burnouts.

2. This weekend the 69 got front premium UMI tubular control arms and a Fat sway bar, courtesy of some good friends on their hoist. Good thing too, because even being on a lift and 3 guys helping me it took 8 hours. Check out the pic of driver side lower bushing that fell out when the A-arm was removed. No wonder she wandered all over the freeway when in the ruts.

3. Along with the suspension I upgraded to drilled and slotted rotors and EBC pads.

4. After all that I was able to mount my new American Racing wheels and Nitto 450 tires, 255/50-17 front and 275/50-17 rear.

She still needs and alignment but since we got caster and camber close with an angle gauge before springs and did a tape measure toe.

First test drive: She corners so flat now I feel confident taking 25 mph corner at 50. She is a whole new animal.

Next I'm thinking of getting a closer ratio steering box. I have a 96 JGC box but lock to lock is same as factory, 3.25 turns. All new steering linkage, stupid me should have done it with A arms.

Then overdrive Transmission......

Spaced out about getting pics of the car but I do have a burn out video with new wheels and tires. biggrin

Can't wait to take a long cruise with some TCNW crew!



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69 Chevelle SS 
454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454



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Sweet burn out vid!! Love the wheels and tires.

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Awesome! Nice stuff!

The AGR 12:7:1 close ratio steering box would be awesome on there. 2.5 turns & higher steering effort like a sports car!



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Ben wrote:

Awesome! Nice stuff!

The AGR 12:7:1 close ratio steering box would be awesome on there. 2.5 turns & higher steering effort like a sports car!


 I have a JGC box now and the steering effort is a little high for my liking although I am using the stock power steering pump to power Hydro-boost and PS with a T-fitting before the single return line. I've been looking into a new PS pump for a diesel application that's probably more powerful and with dual returns to reservoir.

Do all the new close ratio boxes have higher steering effort? I am kinda wimpy and miss my easy factory steering feel.

Anyone know? I want to only buy one new box, maybe the new pump will help, hopefully. OR with the close ratio the higher effort won't be an issue. Mason said he loves his, it was his best bang for the buck.

Thanks



-- Edited by JBSS396 on Monday 11th of July 2016 11:13:41 AM

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454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454

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JBSS396 wrote:
Ben wrote:

Awesome! Nice stuff!

The AGR 12:7:1 close ratio steering box would be awesome on there. 2.5 turns & higher steering effort like a sports car!


 I have a JGC box now and the steering effort is a little high for my liking although I am using the stock power steering pump to power Hydro-boost and PS with a T-fitting before the single return line. I've been looking into a new PS pump for a diesel application that's probably more powerful and with dual returns to reservoir.

Do all the new close ratio boxes have higher steering effort? I am kinda wimpy and miss my easy factory steering feel.

Anyone know? I want to only buy one new box, maybe the new pump will help, hopefully. OR with the close ratio the higher effort won't be an issue. Mason said he loves his, it was his best bang for the buck.

Thanks



-- Edited by JBSS396 on Monday 11th of July 2016 11:13:41 AM


Inside each power steering box is an input shaft, which is surrounded by valving. 

The center of the shaft is a torsion bar (T-Bar) the larger the bar, the more effort is requried before the valving starts to open and assist.  the smaller the T-bar diameter, the easier the effort required to turn the wheel is.

 

Stock GM boxes have very small T-Bars inside them, and has a WIDE ratio steering (3.5 turns) 

JGC boxes has a closer ratio turning, and a slightly bigger T-Bar

AGR & performace factory boxes (transam, Grand National, etc etc) had close ratio and an even bigger t-bar.

 

Since you have unique needs, you should call up redhead steering gear in seattle, and let them know what you have- and see what they could put together for yuou (or do to your existing JGC box)

 

The box i had in my olds was a JGC box, but someone had changed out the input valve (Tbar is inside it)... so mine had the quick ratio (2.5 turns) but had no steering resistance, it was pinky steer like the original was... Sounds like that is what you are needing, i'll bet redhead could do that for you.

 

 Its possible that the hydroboost is robbing needed pressure from your steering box though.. might be another good question for redhead, they also rebuilt the pumps, and could tell you if you need a different one for your application...

 

https://www.redheadsteeringgears.com/

 

 



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- Jason -
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Thanks Ben, good info.

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454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454




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I have mentioned this before but my Chevelle has the quick ratio 2.5 turns same period( 60s/70s) Camaro steering box(rebuilt) with the easy steering/small T-bar valving. I like it, easy to drive the car and has no problems with the Tee'd hydroboost and steering gearbox return lines even with spirited cornering and braking.

Are your return lines arranged in the correct fashion? Ray had his arranged wrong at first and it didn't work right...I went over one time to help him and noticed it. It's a lot easier to do it incorrectly the way the lines come from their opposite directions.



-- Edited by cobaltchev67 on Monday 11th of July 2016 04:30:02 PM

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cobaltchev67 wrote:

I have mentioned this before but my Chevelle has the quick ratio 2.5 turns same period( 60s/70s) Camaro steering box(rebuilt) with the easy steering/small T-bar valving. I like it, easy to drive the car and has no problems with the Tee'd hydroboost and steering gearbox return lines even with spirited cornering and braking.

Are your return lines arranged in the correct fashion? Ray had his arranged wrong at first and it didn't work right...I went over one time to help him and noticed it. It's a lot easier to do it incorrectly the way the lines come from their opposite directions.



-- Edited by cobaltchev67 on Monday 11th of July 2016 04:30:02 PM


 Mike, scroll half way up this page and you will see my return lines T-off to the pump. Tell me if that looks right.

Thanks



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69 Chevelle SS 
454 10.4:1, Engle HFT cam 244/260 at .050", .570 lift, 850 Mighty Demon Carb, 700R4, 10" 3500 lockup converter, 12 Bolt 3.73's, Hoser 275/60-15 Drag Radials

Best Time at Pacific 6/20/2014, 11.96 @ 110 mph.

79 Malibu: 350 with Vortec heads, Performer Intake, Q-jet, TH350, 3.31 gears

Tow rig: 82 Chev C20 Scottsdale 454




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JBSS396 wrote:
cobaltchev67 wrote:

I have mentioned this before but my Chevelle has the quick ratio 2.5 turns same period( 60s/70s) Camaro steering box(rebuilt) with the easy steering/small T-bar valving. I like it, easy to drive the car and has no problems with the Tee'd hydroboost and steering gearbox return lines even with spirited cornering and braking.

Are your return lines arranged in the correct fashion? Ray had his arranged wrong at first and it didn't work right...I went over one time to help him and noticed it. It's a lot easier to do it incorrectly the way the lines come from their opposite directions.



-- Edited by cobaltchev67 on Monday 11th of July 2016 04:30:02 PM


 Mike, scroll half way up this page and you will see my return lines T-off to the pump. Tell me if that looks right.

Thanks


 There's your issue.  The return line from the steering gear box should be in-line with the return line after the tee to the pump. Attached photo was just now taken of my Chevelle's setup.



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