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Post Info TOPIC: outer Wheel bearing stuck on spindle- can't get the rotor off.


- Beemer Brett - Redmond, WA

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outer Wheel bearing stuck on spindle- can't get the rotor off.
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For sure. I love when what should be simple projects turn into complete cluster fucks

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Brettd85 wrote:

For sure. I love when what should be simple projects turn into complete cluster fucks


it happens to me at work regularly! its the snowball effect!



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Well, spindles out... Still can't get the damn thing off.

Hit it from the backside of the hub with a Sledge, didn't budge a bit. Guess I'll have to take it to a real shop that has a torch to try and let them separate it. 

I'm ok if I have to buy a rotor... Ok if I have to buy a spindle... But I really don't want to have to buy new caliper brackets and dust shields, so gotta get this apart somehow!



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Brettd85 wrote:

For sure. I love when what should be simple projects turn into complete cluster fucks


Sometimes you just want to slap the engineer that designed the damn things don't you?smile 



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And you took the nut off the spindle?...

Just kidding. 

With the whole assembly off, stick it in the freezer a few hours and whack it again. 



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i have the stuff at work to get this apart for you.but im sure you will find someone closer than puyallup! if not just LMK.

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After seeing the picture of 2 washers under the upper ball joint nut and the stuck bearing.
I'd be pulling the whole front end apart and checking everything. (Who knows what else is haywire.)
Just my 2 cents.

I've seen front suspension failures at speed and their not pretty.



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Just for giggles check the tapers of the spindles and ball joints.
Since somebody has been in there converting to disc and all.
Something in the back of my head is itching, about spindles from different era's looking the same and all, except the tapers being different.

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LaVelle wrote:

After seeing the picture of 2 washers under the upper ball joint nut and the stuck bearing.
I'd be pulling the whole front end apart and checking everything. (Who knows what else is haywire.)
Just my 2 cents.

I've seen front suspension failures at speed and their not pretty.


 I'm with ya.

I have another full set already restored A-body upper and lower control arms. All new BJs & Bushings already installed (by me, so i know they are all kosher.

I restored them for LostNFound Eric's 66 4 years ago- he ran them for a couple years (200-300 miles) before changing it all out for fancy tubular ones.

 

I had been planning on "Eventually" swapping them as all of this was sort of an unknown... eventually has become "now" since i already have one side completely apart.

Even the tie rod to steering arm nut was only finger tight. I didn't even have to hit it with pickle fork to separate it. Frightening.

 

On the bright side, this will also allow me to cut 1/2 coil off the front springs to bring the front end down a tiny bit more, to fine tune the stance the way i like (front fenders should be right at the top of the front tires). It was close before but could still stand to come down between 1/2"-1"

Then it'll be a good match for mark's OEM rear springs when they go in.

 

 

 



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leadfoot067 wrote:

i have the stuff at work to get this apart for you.but im sure you will find someone closer than puyallup! if not just LMK.


Shane, I pm'd you my number, shoot me a call or text if you have a chance today.

I don't have any shops up here that are convenient that I have previous experiences with, so I will wind up travelling no matter what..

As it happens, I'm going to be taking the day off this Wednesday to Run down to Lakewood to visit Georgie to pickup some parts from him see his toy collection, maybe bribe my way into a ride in the fabled vette  

anwyay- That would have me travelling through puyallup in the morning and again early that afternoon heading home...

If i was to drop if off in the morning, do you think it could be ready when i head back up?

if not ready when i pass through again not a big deal, I have work friends who live down that way who could pickup for me the day or so and bring back to Issaquah with them for work.

 

anyway- let me know your thoughts.

I'd prefer to give friends business when I can rather than someone I don't!

 

 

 



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Ben wrote:

As it happens, I'm going to be taking the day off this Wednesday to Run down to Lakewood to visit Georgie to pickup some parts from him see his toy collection, maybe bribe my way into a ride in the fabled vette  

 


 I have been so privileged, I can confirm that particular unicorn does exist.



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Good to hear you already have replacement parts in hand.
Looks like the car is telling you something.
Remember we always have enough time to do it right the second time around.

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Well.... Shane saved my ass with that rotor and spindle.
He had it apart in about 10 mins of trying... Knocked the studs out, inserted some longer bolts from the back side and used a slightly larger hub press than the one i removed and it popped right off.

Spindle looks to be in fine shape- no galling or damage. I test fitted the new bearing tonight and it slips on and off like it should... so no clue why the first one got stuck. It did have some grease in it. I went ahead and bought a new rotor, just to be safe.

Unfortunately that wasn't the end of my drama for today...
I went ahead and removed the spindle on the drivers side too after finding the loose nuts on the passenger side.
The drivers was even worse!
While the tie rod was installed and torqued properly... both balljoints, again castle nuts were barely finger tight... and when i had the jack supporting it, i went to use my separator tool to pop the joints out of the spindle... except the top one was already loose! It just lifted out of the spindle! Never seated!!!
So i let the jack down, and once it was all the way down the whole spindle fell off the lower balljoint, it was never seated! There was a nice coating of rust on the lower BJ taper...
This was scary as hell... can't believe that I nearly started driving it like that! Really glad now that the bearing got jammed and i had to go through these steps... i would never have thought i'd need to recheck the balljoints to this extent!

ANNNYway, drama over, solution is in hand- now onto putting stuff together again and get back to making this thing road worthy!

Fun trip down south... Met up with Shane so he could work his magic, and Got to see Georges house projects, the camaro project, visited a colorful & visually appealing   coffee stand along the way  to see the yellow unicorn and went for a little spin.

Some technical difficulties, but loads of fun none the less.

 



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Ya know....that never seated thing doesn't sound right. That car had been driven....even if it was just around YOUR neighborhood. If they were all matching tapers....they would be seated...end of story. Something smells.

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todztoyz wrote:

Ya know....that never seated thing doesn't sound right. That car had been driven....even if it was just around YOUR neighborhood. If they were all matching tapers....they would be seated...end of story. Something smells.


Agreed something smells with the ball joint/spindle tapers.

Driving it won't seat the tapers.

The way it's designed, the spring tension will always be trying to pull it apart.

It's the double washers under the nut trying to get it tight and still being loose that scares me.

 

I'd be seriously be checking into the taper of the ball joints and spindles, to make sure they are of the same size and degree of taper.

Dry assemble it without the spring installed ( far easier to deal with and less risky ) , and just snug up the ball joint nuts ( easier to disassemble for spring install ) and see how everything comes together.

                                                                                             

Take a spindle into the parts store and try new ball joints fitting your car and see how the tapers match up.

 



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Yup. I'm on it. Installing my other set of good arms this weekend and will dry fit everything before the springs go back in.

I've done my share of these before, So i have a handle on how it should fit together.






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Allright... back on track!

I took the old upper and lower A-Arms off, and got the "new" ones installed.

I test fitted the spindles on them minus the springs, and as expected, when torqued properly, they were seated, and i had to use the BJ separator tool to pop the top one back out.
Means the old A-arms and Bj's are totally fine.. Nice new bushings and bj's in them. I'll have to throw them on CL and see if i can get a little out of them.

Cut half a coil off the springs, and reinstalled them and got the spindles back on!

Feel pretty good about progress for tonight, should be no big deal to get the brakes back together tomorrow & Sunday and get it back on the ground and do the final torque on the arms.

I stuck a big fat stack of extra shims on the rear alignment stud on both arms, If i recall correctly that adds caster and they can use all they get. I'll see how i did when i try and align it. Might be able to get a bit more on there still. Left the front camber stack the same as it was.
Not sure who has the fastrax setup anymore, i'll have to see if i can find one to borrow.


Feel a lot better now that i've gone through this stuff..

Also- While i was in there, i noticed a very distinct carbon leak coming out of the front of the passenger side header- exhaust carbon all over the front sparkplug... exactly where i have been hearding that loud ticking sound from! woot woot, think i've identified that problem too!








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Well, three steps forward, one step back.

Finished rechecking and resetting torque on the steering arms and caliper brackets (i'm no longer surprised by what i found... all good now anyway)
Torqued and got the cotter pins installed in all the joints, and greased all the front end components.

Finished packing the wheel bearings, got the rotors installed, and got the passenger side caliper on. Great, good! kickin ass! Thought I'd be driving it today!
Not quite....

Got to the drivers side around 1am, and the caliper won't go on. Its hanging up on the rear between the caliper bracket and the rotor.
Tried a few things and i can force the whole thing on, but the rotor won't spin like that, know its wrong.

So this afternoon I Pulled the caliper back off, and Removed the passenger side also to compare, and sure enough the top bolt hole in the caliper bracket is like 1/4" closer to the rotor on the drivers side compared to the pass which fits properly.

Not sure how this worked before (actually it kind of didn't, the drivers caliper was getting stuck before too... so this was likely the problem)... The caliper mounting bracket bolts were loose and i torqued them up properly- that may account for the "new" inability to fit the loaded caliper on since it did at least install before.

Anyway- I ordered up a set of repo caliper brackets from summit tonight- Hope to have them on Tuesday and can get this back together finally.



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New caliper brackets arrived last night... Major difference in stamping quality between the new (right stuff) and the old (speedway?) Much better, and tada! Caliper fits fine now.



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