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- Martin -
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A fellow racer told me about this site (blog) where they have tested just about every engine oil including diesel.

Some very good reading! 

https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/motor-oil-wear-test-ranking/

 



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- Jason -
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I've been following his tests for a while. Very interesting reading.



-- Edited by JBSS396 on Tuesday 8th of May 2018 09:03:18 PM

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- Shane -
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wow... my eyes hurt from all that reading...makes me rethink my oil choice....

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leadfoot067 wrote:

wow... my eyes hurt from all that reading...makes me rethink my oil choice....


Mine too! I run Brad Penn 20w50 he tested 10w30 and it ranked 221 out of 223. I have 3 cases of this stuff and can't return it but this is what he did in a test:

" Here’s how. I also added “Oil Extreme Concentrate” to 10W30 Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1 semi-synthetic, as part of my motor oil “Dynamic Wear Testing Under Load” research. And with 2.0 OZ of “Oil Extreme Concentrate” added per qt, which is the amount intended for racing, its wear protection capability shot up by a BREATH TAKING 56%, to an amazing 111,061psi, which puts it in the INCREDIBLE wear protection category, and now ranks it a jaw dropping 24th out of 223 oils tested so far. So, it moved up a whopping 150 ranking positions, just by adding the “Oil Extreme Concentrate”. This totally accounts for the reason all his cam lobe failures were eliminated."

So, I have ordered some of this 'snake oil' to add to my stock. that stuff is not cheap, $48.95 for a 16 oz bottle which will treat 8 quarts the qty I use. after having rod bearing issues after warm ups and only 80 passes, requiring a new crank, two rods etc. then, another rod bearing failure after only warm ups and 1.5 full passes which now is another crank 2 rods AND the peppered pistons! that was after changing my oiling system set up to his preference, I gotta try summin' 



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- Mike -
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What oil did you run before Martin?

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Is that Scott Wheatons blog?

He may have all the best data in the world and be an amazing engineer but GOD DAMN that guy is full of himself.
Its impossible to actually READ that site. He needs to hire an editor to cut out all his BS, it completely takes away from the information he is trying to present.

My take-away is that my breakin oil (joe gibbs BR) was among the worst he's ever tested, and apparently my regular oil is so shitty it doesn't even get a ranking (joe gibs HR1). LOL







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- Jason -
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I agree Scott Wheaton is pretty full of himself and thinks he knows it all. Don't think 540.RAT is the same guy. Although 540.RAT is very similar lol

I read the first oil wear test a few years ago by 540.RAT and found it pretty interesting. When I first got my 454 running I was using DELO 15-40 diesel oil which he states is not suitable for gas powered muscle cars.
After reading through his tests I switched to Chevron Supreme 10-30 which tested pretty well. there are 2 oils readily available and test high.

The Wear Protection reference categories are:.

* Over 120,000 psi = FANTASTIC wear protection.

* 105,000 to 120,000 psi = INCREDIBLE wear protection.

* 90,000 to 105,000 psi = OUTSTANDING wear protection.

* 75,000 to 90,000 psi = GOOD wear protection.

* 60,000 to 75,000 psi = MODEST wear protection.

* Below 60,000 psi = UNDESIRABLE wear protection.

The HIGHER the psi value, the BETTER the Wear Protection.

41. 10W30 Valvoline VR1 Conventional Racing Oil (silver bottle) = 103,505 psi
zinc = 1472 ppm
phosphorus = 1544 ppm
moly = 3 ppm
calcium = 2,707 ppm
TBN = 7.6

52. 5W30 Chevron Supreme, API SN conventional (blue bottle) = 100,011 psi
This oil only cost $4.29 per quart at an Auto Parts Store when I bought it.
zinc = 1018 ppm
phos = 728 ppm
moly = 161 ppm

My flat tappet cam is still doing well 8 years later.



-- Edited by JBSS396 on Wednesday 9th of May 2018 10:38:42 PM

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- Martin -
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cobaltchev67 wrote:

What oil did you run before Martin?


 recommended by a few of my engine builders over the years, I've used Brad Penn 20W50 now to find out it's not really a good oil due to too much zinc in it but, I never had the issues with my engines with the other builders like I have had with this guy. Apparently I'm not high on his customer list Like Chris Cannon and Alan Macham, and he kept saying my oiling system is what is causing the issues, well it didn't with the other builders and the failures I did have were due to part failure not related to oiling. This last go around, I revised my oiling system to what he wanted and the engine only lasted 1 1/2 passes! 



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- Mike -
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I don't know who those guys are(like a lot of people that're supposedly well-known that I've never heard of) but I know who you are.  You should be just as important.  I remember you changing around your oiling system thinking it was a waste of money and time.



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Hmm. Delo surprisingly low. Now I’m debating switching??

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Brettd85 wrote:

Hmm. Delo surprisingly low. Now I’m debating switching??


I wouldn't use DELO personally with better oils out there suited for the application now knowing more but I did something similar in the past.

In the GTO I ran the Shell Rotella T6 10w-30 and always a bottle of EOS.  When I got that car and engine none of the lifters were in order or numbered...I put it all back in coated really well with moly lube and didn't have any cam or lifter issues, just the #2 and #6 plugs fouling due to the valve seals....and the heads will need rebuilt eventually.  Would I do it again?  Probably not, but it did work.



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- Beemer Brett - Redmond, WA

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Reading that again was horrible, a lot of rambling. I think I'm going to switch to Mobil1 10w30. Its available at costco for a reasonable price and ranked number 15. I will probably only change it every other year. I run the same oil (maybe 5w30) in my modern cars as well. Only concern is sometime synthetics seem to leak more, though some say thats a myth?

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Brettd85 wrote:

Reading that again was horrible, a lot of rambling. I think I'm going to switch to Mobil1 10w30. Its available at costco for a reasonable price and ranked number 15. I will probably only change it every other year. I run the same oil (maybe 5w30) in my modern cars as well. Only concern is sometime synthetics seem to leak more, though some say thats a myth?


 i was thinking the same thing.

 



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I use Royal Purple in everything(vehicles, lawnmowers, snowblower) except the Chevelle and the ATV.  I figure what the hell, choose an oil and be done with it.



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Ben wrote:
Brettd85 wrote:

Reading that again was horrible, a lot of rambling. I think I'm going to switch to Mobil1 10w30. Its available at costco for a reasonable price and ranked number 15. I will probably only change it every other year. I run the same oil (maybe 5w30) in my modern cars as well. Only concern is sometime synthetics seem to leak more, though some say thats a myth?


 i was thinking the same thing.

 


 yeah but.......... good info after the Blah Blah Blah



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- Beemer Brett - Redmond, WA

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Yes, I do appreciate the effort. Man loves his lube.

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I think Chevron oil is also available at Costco. I use Mobil1 stuff also. Walmart seems to have good prices also and a wide selection...had to go in there once before the engine swap in my Sierra.

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chevron supreme is on sale at fred meyers on 176th and meridan,9.99 for 5 quart bottle..all weights..


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leadfoot067 wrote:

chevron supreme is on sale at fred meyers on 176th and meridan,9.99 for 5 quart bottle..all weights..


 Damn, that's a deal!  I need to change the oil in my pickup...will check the one near my house.



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ya,i bought 4, thats 2 changes for my tracker and 2 for wifes toyota..

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